Ball speed from the new irons is what is creating the distance. A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? Editors note: This article is in collaboration with Shot Scope. Approach play is the area of the game that leaves a lot to be desired amongst all levels of amateur golfers. *Performance average removes all outliers good and bad, to give a distance based on how far a well struck shot will go. I've never had a sand wedge bent, I suppose that could be an issue but if you open the blade a bit the bounce comes back. An Aussie with a residence in Scottsdale, playing on a windy coastal track this is a great chance. Late to the party but I was just searching this topic and saw your post, I just bought an old set of mizuno's that are bent 2* strong for the exact same reason as you stated above. some strong lofts there, i thought you had blade type irons so, which have weaker lofts? My irons are bent weak partly to get the right launch conditions but also to reduce my draw. The G30 is a high-launching game improvement design. Not fact but I do think more offset makes it easier to draw the ball. Among full-swing clubs, drivers have the lowest degrees of loft (some pros use drivers with as little as 7 degrees of loft; most recreational golfers use drivers lofted at 9 to 14 degrees). 5 Testers Needed! I created this website after hearing the same questions from my students over and over as a place where new golfers can come to learn and improve their golf game. A 1 degree lie angle change, either flat or more upright, can cause a 4-yard difference either left or right of a straight target. Generally though as you decrease theloft of a club by one degree, you reduce its bounce a degree at the same time and if you increase the loft by one degree you increase the bounce by a degree. make it a "digger" per say? i dont need that. Add loft for distance?????? This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. Long story short, I'm about to have the 5,6,7,8 iron bent 2 degrees weaker, 9 iron 1 degree weaker, and AW 1 degree stronger. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM. When I was fitted for my 714 AP-2's it was the Titleist fitter who suggested we go 1 degree strong, but it take very little divot. Its ball speed not loft that is increasing distance. It has been working really well for me. Like you said, it will change the bounce but other than that, it wont change much and shouldnt effect the playability of the club unless you are really steep and need the bounce. But there is a lot more to it than that. What bounce does is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. Featured Section: It flies lower and that is about it. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." By Its taking up to 2 degrees off each iron. Sure. It is a lot easier to find what lie angle you need in your golf clubs and purchase a set rather than have to individually bend each club. Paste as plain text instead, Instead, I will take Novak at slight odds-on in his three-ball against Scott Brown and Arjun Atwal. Now as lower handicappers, we will probably not have our hands at impact fluctuating 3, 4 or 6 inches, but I would not say mine are within an inch of exactly the same place every time. That is only if the area you are going to contact the ball moves up on the face as a result of bending, the lower portion of the face will move backwards when bent strong. Learn how your comment data is processed. So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! Hope I did not complicate this any and maybe helped you, Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*--- Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Im 62 and most GI clubs are too long even for me in their stock iteration with this progressive shaft lengths concept. Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? Ordering & Information You are also all correct in that it is a long iron. Played a mp30 2i for most of the year as a gap from my 3i to my 3 wood. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. I find Callaway irons have to much bounce to begin with esp. My old callway x forged dug more than my bent mp-4's. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. I did this to reduce the spin rate. Some people prefer a higher or lower, high- or low-spin ball flight for strategic purposes. And visa versa, if the original bounce is low and/or the club has a sharp leading edge, the reduction in bounce may have a significant impact on playability. Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. That would depend on what GI head design you have and to be quite honest the only way to be sure would be to test these irons on a golf radar. Lower lofts will travel a bit farther and a bit lower, higher lofts will travel a bit less and fly a bit higher. What if I get those numbers with a 7-iron, or a 5-iron? If this continues well end up with 25* 7 irons and carry 6 or 7 gap wedges. About time someone who knows what theyre talking about said what the the real deal is with loft and modern clubs. The simple fact is that good golf cannot be played with a bad grip on the club. I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. Couldn't agree more with your entire post. Your previous content has been restored. But i am talking more along the lines of the bounce, leading edge, etc. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. I play high bounce Ping G30's and have bent some of the clubs in that set that strong. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Your previous content has been restored. Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred) ||Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag. You may have heard golfers talk about how they need to use a flatter club or that they need to change their lie angle. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. The concern is that all the fitting carts only have 6 irons and with the gaping on the 3, 4 and 5 irons lonely being 3* I am concerned on irons would react to my adjustments. I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. probably best to just change the shaft length), You stand tall over the golf ball when swinging, Your golf ball starts towards the right of your target (left for lefties), You hit the golf ball off the toe of the cub more often causing the clubface to open up and create push or slice. The risk that the club will break at the hosel is too high. Your previous content has been restored. I knew that bounce and loft have a 1:1 ratio but never thought that changing lie angle would affect swingweight but it makes perfect sense. You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. TaylorMade Rsi TP 3-PW (1.5* strong) NS-Pro MOdus 3 tour130 X They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. If you're after a driving iron, I would expect you to use it off the tee for the most part. Loft is used to get the irons back to the proper launch window. With added ball speed comes more launch. And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. I take healthy beaver pelts with short irons, but the 2 iron is just a nip of grass. Reset Password After this long introduction, Nick keep preaching this gospel. I reckon for every 1 degree off it takes about 250 off the spin. My advice is to get fit as cheaply as you can and find some newer distance irons on Ebay or BST that can fit you. on tight fairways. That means judging any of this due to the club head alone and isolated makes no sense, we have to include the player and his delivery of the head since thats what matters for if we can / should go weaker or stronger or leave it as it is. This also gives me room for more wedges. One good example comes to mind. Then if your wedge gaps are off you might tweak them a degree. Brent Grant always brings the energy ?? I should have made the same swing with a 9 iron, to compensate for the lie, but did not.". And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. Newer irons, however, are designed with a loft angle that is between 18 and 22 degrees. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60*, Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. 5-G By NYonce. A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. 5 Testers Needed! Typical launch angle would improve from 13-14* to 17-18*. With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. Undershooter If they are not bent properly you can change the lie fairly easily unintentionally. Taylor Made tour issue M2 T3 Ozik Matrix 8M3 X examples, keep you head down, hit down on the ball, you gotta swing inside out. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. Clamp the piece in so only a 1/2 inch below where you want the bend in the angle iron is flush with the top of the vise. I was thinking of bending my irons 3 degrees stronger as my ball flights were too high, but then there would be a big gap to fill between the pitching wedge and the gap wedge, and potentially more side effects of bending the clubs then. :-). I think it depends on the player and his swing. The speed of putts is crucial. Yes, thats essentially what Im asking. I have a 17-degree 4-wood, a 21-degree hybrid, a 26-degree hybrid, and a 29-degree iron as my longer (non-driver) clubs. The question is, again, Do you really want to get better at golf?. My miss is hitting it fat, so I was especially concerned with how bending them strong would affect bounce. Step 1 for those golfers is to increase ball speed. Well driving iron to be exact. Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, Tour Blue 85 X, 44" -or- Cobra Fly-Z+, Phenom NL 60 X, 44.5", 3w:King LTD, Aldila RIP Beta 90 X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X . Distance is fine, but I have an overly high flight in the wind. Location. The average golfer leaves 65 percent of all approach shots short of the green. Step 3. I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. I was a little worried I might notice the offset or have trouble with hitting them fat, but they look perfect and play like they should. Fitters have to find some way to raise their ball flight, because those golfers lack the speed necessary to get the best results from many modern iron heads. Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. United States. Great article! TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana If you really want to improve your golf, you must define where you are losing the most strokes and start there. My advice would be to start by making sure the lofts are set to manufacturers specs. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? If the launch conditions work, what matter the number on the club? It is a combination of those factors to get consistent results. Ping G410 Plus Oban Kiyoshi Tour Limited I just purchased a new set of 716MB irons. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Backups:Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Absolutely GREAT analogy RoverRick. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 Driver: Charles Kelley whats in the bag accurate as of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am. Maybe its conceptually challenging but when all sets came 3-PW with heads the size of your pinky-toe, golfers either left their 3 iron home or just used it for low punch shots back to the fairway; back then, a well-hit 6 iron would outdistance an over-muscled 3 iron seven times out of 10. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. The industry is run by marketing divisions, who are responsible for stronger lofted irons, in the mistaken belief that lower loft equals more distance. Seriously. Odyssey 2-ball Pro-Type milled face putter. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. Great point I am a low ball hitter looking for more distance especially in my high irons. Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. Your link has been automatically embedded. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). ENTER NOW! In my experience I have seen guys in the 8-14 handicap range with moderate ball speed try X Hot irons, and see much better results with the Rocketbladez. for the better golfer, these lofts leave nothing at the bottom of the bag. I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. Display as a link instead, The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. 3" = 4.6* and 6" = 9.2* change in loft. He is also 1 of 33 TrackMan Masters in the world, and has completed thousands of successful fittings using TrackMan. To do this, simply Google, Golf Club Fitters Near Me and you will get a great list of places that will make sure you are playing the right lie angle for your game. I am purchasing new irons and am seriously considering getting the lofts 2* weak to create a 48* PW and 4* loft spacing. Introduce Yourself/ WIYB (What's In Your Bag), Lessons, Drills, Mental Game, and Fitness Tips. So to get the most performance out of each iron, for these low ball hitters, we need to add loft. Bomb and gouge. Display as a link instead, I am a club fitter also and see this every day. Taylormade SIM UDI 2i / Diamana THUMP 100X, Taylormade P770 3i (bent weak) / Project X LS 6.5, Taylormade P7MC 5-7i, P7MB 8-9i / Project X LS 6.5. Even forged clubheads made of the wrong steel . More photos from the event here. Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. No matter what your skill level, you will not optimize your performance with outdated or ill-fitted golf clubs. This applies to both face angle and lie. St Louis, MO. I dont pretend to be an expert, or even close. I completely agree with this! Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. Sign up to receive product offers and news! Humans think theyre logical but when it comes down to it (when the wallet hits the counter), they are controlled by feelings, who they wish they could play like and what company has qualities that match their identity. Thanks! A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. weight removed), (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. I can't say that they have kicked my 716 ap2 out for good, but for now the 716 cb are staying in the bag! Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. It will also increase the offset of the club, not a huge amount, but at two degrees, it is noticeable to me. When you get 2* gaps on the long end there is almost no difference between clubs. Nick so, how much difference can CoG location make to the optimum loft? Your link has been automatically embedded. You won't notice it. The most common complaint I hear from golfers looking for new irons is that all the lofts are jacked strong. If someone is playing an iron set, for instance, from the late 1990s or earlier they will most likely find their irons to be 2-to-3 degrees weaker than todays game-improvement irons, and even some players irons. Hi all, I was wondering if bending a club 2* strong would affect the playability of said club? Yes, the T200 can be bent 2 degrees flat and beyond 2 degrees upright Titleist manufactures heads 2 degrees upright which can be bent up to a further 2 degrees i.e up to 4 degrees from standard Please sign in to comment TUser January 21, 2020 at 08:09 AM Along the same lines, I got my new T200 irons late last year. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? Craig, Ok thats good to know, the longest iron I carry in the bag is a 6 iron so it wont make that much of a difference then in the long irons. 2023 Acushnet Company. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lof, Lower launch, lower flight (generally) but you lose some bounce and add offset, Titleist TSi4 8.25* / Fujikura Ventus Black TR 7-X Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. Odyssey Pro #1 black It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther, and this is understandable. As long as the spin rate is acceptable, the new irons, because of their lower center of gravity, are going to produce more speed off the face (due to the lower loft and lower COG) and more distance. From my observation of thousands of golfers of all skill levels, far too many are deficient in the fundamentals, starting with the grip, and then to the set-up and only then to the swing motion. I don't have any problems with the slight increase in offset and the lower bounce but if needed you could get someone to grind the leading edge a bit to put some bounce back. Simply put, bending the iron 6.5 degrees strong wasn't an option. I know some pros naturally hit it higher, and some lower. Mizuno irons can be adjusted to varying degrees depending on model and material type. (more on this down below). Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine:Get Bending! I showed him all the stats on the monitor and he was in agreement but when it came to buying the actual driver he insisted on buying the 9.5 head with the TP after all the work on the launch monitor. Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! If anything I am a digger in the golf swing. I am glad you mentioned shaft length, static lengths for GI clubs, how it impacts flight, etc. Theyre selling the clubs by saying that you will hit them longer, yet like you said, many of those whod need the help arent really hitting at least the longer irons any longer. I would never ever think of doing this on my own. Wedges: Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or-Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; PM Grind 19 58* -or-Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more? Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. with more loft than its designed for, so he cant go wrong by bending heads stronger. But bending an iron weak is not as well understood by many golfers, so they are more hesitant. I was fit for my current irons and they were bent 2 degrees strong for ball flight purposes. You might find that you ask yourself if you are better or worse than the average golfer? well unfortunately people buy clubs based on their ego and the club manufactures feed it. Upload or insert images from URL. If the customer cant get the 4 iron in the air, pull that too and give them a hybrid that will get in the air. * MD4 54/10 S-Grind replacedMD3 54/12 W-Grind. It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. Guess I dont get it. The Wedge Guy: What really makes a wedge work. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. is 2 degrees enough to mess up a club? Restore formatting, Most people won't hit a 2 iron off the fairway though, so they probably won't take a divot at all As far as bounce goes, do you really think a club going 100 mph is going to be affected by 2 less of bounce? Since clubs are bent with iron bars by applying pressure on. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? 4-6 more yards (depending on club and swing speed) and lower launch with less bounce. For example, the first generation M2 5-iron has a loft of 21.5. It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. Your 4i and 5i will tend to get more rollout than the higher # irons, hence the 3* loft gaps. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. Bounce means nothing. Or if youre playing in firm conditions, you might want more spin and a higher launch. What the heck are they were talking about? Putters have the least loft, usually from 2 to 4 degrees. You cannot paste images directly. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? In the five starts mentioned above, the St. Simons resident has some impressive first round finishes. So you bend them 1 degree strong, bounce follows it by a degree. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. On a driver? Callaway Epic - HZRDUS BlackCobra F9 3 Wood A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. I'm not so much of a digger with long irons, and I thought about getting my rogue 5i bent a degree stronger and not carry a 4. 1 is somewhere between somewhat important to very important, then the next question has to be. Well-regarded at home, he mixed his time in junior golf with the likes of Min Woo Lee and Curtis Luck, during which he finishedrunner-up at The Players Amateur before winning the elite Porter Cup and being part of the victorious three-man Australian team at the Eisenhower Trophy, played partly at El Chamaleon, scene of the Mayokaba events on the PGA Tour.
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