The 1892 is a top-ejecting model so scopes or rails are out, but the point of this gun is to be a fast-handling, medium-range rifle. IMPORTANT NOTE: THROAT LENGTHS IN CUSTOM BARRELS VARY. If you get one and a couple of SAA revolvers, youre almost ready for cowboy action shooting. Trying to understand why the only conclusion I can draw is that people think them as old-fashioned and slow. KBCraig, have you tried buying primers recently? . In a handgun .357 is the upper level of my comfort zone. My current 357 carbine is a Marlin 94 from 1998. I would think this problem could be cured by a visit to a dependable smith. The .357 Maximum went away. How do the modern .357 loads compare to the first repeaters? can you find sace for a backpack sized tote? Many would consider it a good deer cartridge, but when used in a handgun, it would be rather marginal for that purpose. The .357 and .45 Colt are best at bowhunting distances inside 50 yards. twist: 1:18.75"; trim length: 1.285"; primer: Winchester SPM; bullet diam. Web the.357 maximum was an effort to give you.357 magnum muzzle velocity at 200 meters. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Thompson center contender barrel, 357 max, 21" blued at the best online prices at eBay! As a reloader, I will say that I have affection for the ease of use/reuse of straight walled cartridges and, thus, am a bit more fond of 10mm but, .357 sig certainly has merit. The round barrel is just 17.4 inches, threaded for a suppressor and features a 1:16 rate of twist. In 1983, the .357 Remington Maximum was released as a joint project between Ruger and Remington. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. It is a tough call since their chamber work and mine are so, so close to the same. Or the new Marlin Dark series for a little more money. For them a pistol caliber Lever carbine makes a lot of sense. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. I would absolutely use it for home D without a second thought. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. A number of employees punched these rifles out to .357 Maximum and were very happy with the field results. Night and day in service and I didnt have to wait over a month. I have not seen a 357 max levergun but, I have a Marlin 336 that is chambered in 375 Supermag. Pistol caliber lever action rifles do make sense for benighted states, and are also still a lot of fun for the rest of us as well. Yes, they can, of course, be fired farther, but the design, mass and speed of the bullets are what really determine effective range. Winchester just introduced the 350 Legend for all the people who are stuck using straight walled cartridges. It lacks a top-mounted rail (you can still install one, the receiver is pre-tapped). Maybe this shortage will get more people into the handloading business. Then came panic buying of guns and ammo due to social unrest, and of course its a an election year. Why? by stretch Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:47 pm, Post Maximum, call Kurt Bellm at 970 433 9525. Ruger, super Blackhawk 357, maximum 10 1/2 inch barrel in excellent condition and fire very little comes with original box and papers. A max charge of 27.0 grains posted roughly 1,875 fps with the Speer 180-grain .35 Remington bullet and shot under 1 MOA in my 14-inch Contender. Most 350 Legend bullets have a higher sectional density which means more penetration than the .357 Magnum. The Big Boy Steel Carbine is competing for the top of my wish list I really like the color case hardened version. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. Classified Ad (1000+), Search Full Text of Listings Show Only Guns The 357 Max is generally considered to be less powerful that 35 Rem, but I don't know if you would see a difference in a 14" barrel. His just naturally pointed well, I didnt have to work at all. T/Cs Contender pistol was also a natural for this cartridge, and it was a popular chambering. It's my personal opinion that the flame cutting on the revolvers chambered in this cartridge gave it a bad rep. Like Chris, Doc, and Tycer said - you've already got the 35 Remington - which is, I believe the question was "does anyone make a Levergun for the 357 Maximum". Id buy another Henry in a heartbeat, if my gun safe werent replete with levers already. Shout, I mean shoots, doesnt rally shout, kind of barks. These comments are directed at the people say there is no ammo to buy, or its too expensive. We will take a look back at a stock revolver and its misunderstood cartridge called the .357 Maximum.Originally conceived by the late Elgin Gates and called the .357 SuperMag, the new round was very straightforward. My M19 was made in 1976. If you compare a 16" 30-30 to a 16" .357 Mag, the difference is even smaller. The fact that they are very difficult to find, new or used, is a testament of that they are still relative and in high demand. Because many states have recently enacted hunting laws that allow for straight-case centerfire cartridges, in addition to the previous shotgun slugs only. Then there is the 40-90 Sharps straight 3 1/4" that can be formed from Bell .405 basic cases. Great guns..would love to have a Winchester big loop trapper in 357..but i wish the Winchester came with sling studs like the Marlin. Loads for .357 Maximum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.) The Alaskan combines tradition wit NO Credit Card Fees Like the Other Guys!! As far as commiespretty sure it would get the job done. Finally needed cash and sold it to a collector of old west guns. Thats what the saddle ring designs were for. Thanks Muddy, 2506, hunter67, shooter7. Whats different about the pre-lawyer ones? Gun Genius. . Working range would be 50-70 yards. I sure like my Marlin 94c..I had my Smith do an action and trigger job on it. Wear issues in revolvers appeared early. Was a great gun.I wish someone should resurrect it. Its an entry-level model MSRP is $972, youll pay about $200 less retail but the rifle comes tapped for a scope or rail if so desired. Im just fed up with the fact I spent over $1000 in gun and ammo to not be able to use it AND when it comes back from the shop it is dirty, not fixed, and has some cosmetic issues that werent there when I shipped it. Hard to beat real world experience which is mainly what this site consists of. That 2000 fps 357 mag load is 1100 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. We are not currently living in such times, when even steel-cased Russian 9mm is sold off the shelves at ridiculous markups. I wonder how the rimless version of the .357 Maximumthe .350 Legendwill fare. When the gun fired, it behaved like all revolvers in that the powder charge in those long chambers burned at a very high temperature. Among their improvements was a revision to the receiver for their model of 1894. Theyre quick-handling (crazy quick), theyre accurate, and theyve got the power to take down medium-sized game out to 150 yards with the right ammo and careful rangefinding. 1,254 max in one manual . Subscriber Services. Because the .357 Maximum in a Contender comes close to .35 Rem. It was a long-range shooting sport in which the targets were the silhouettes of game animals cut from steel plate and placed in banks of five at 50, 100, 150 and 200 meters. Dont believe me?? The finish is stainless steel with a black/gray laminate stock with checkered pistol grip and a rubber recoil pad. The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. It works out to about the same as a heavy loaded 38-55 in a Marlin 336. In a rifle, this cartridge is easy on the shoulder, making it a natural for new shooters. This means that hunters are able to control the firearm much better, making more accurate and effective shots. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. In the many years since, however, Ive shot pretty much every common handgun caliber and own a dozen or so of them and, still, something about that .357 just works the best. With 125 gr. can anyone suggest a competent gunsmith? Then expand and retool , upgrade if you find its your thing. Thank God for so many various powders available. It carries easy, at 6- lbs, with swivel studs coming standard (as does a hammer block safety) and has a large loop for fast cycling. Id like to, but my current living situation and potential job changes/living situations dont allow for me to set up an area for reloading. Later, Dan Wesson Firearms made double-action revolvers, and Thompson/Center offered single-shot Contender pistol barrels. With a tuned lever action, you can unload 10 rounds in about 3 seconds: https://youtu.be/h1Wcy8HRQUo?list=TLPQMjcwNzIwMjC2VftOeStKpQ. Yeah, that .357 lever gun is so irrelevant you cant find one anywhere. Thats relevance! The big problem for me was the shape of the Contender grip which caused my hand to shake after just a few shots. Go to GB or GI and find yourself a Browning B-92 in .357. The chrony doesnt lie: .357 levers punch well above their weight: This load generates very close to the SAAMI max of 35k psi. almost 1782 psi less than 9mm 4" barrel pressure. The problem with rebarreling a Ruger No 1 or 3 is not the round, it it locating a gunsmith capable of dealing with a Ruger single shot action. If you're gonna be stupid ya gotta be tough-. And has since been dropped by everyone except TC.. Very accurate, which makes it very deadly. And as far as lever action rifles in pistol calibersthey have never been irrelevant over their 150 year history. $2.92. But stoke it up and hear that little dog bark like a big dog! And of course, such a gun would have to have a longer frame for the longer cylinder for the longer cartridge. This rifle has a ton of modern flair that you may be used to seeing on semi-automatic sporting rifles. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gunsmith-review-wild-west-guns-marlin-rescue-project/, Not a .357, but a Rossi lever. Fortunately I do have lever guns in .22, .44 and 30-30 so Im not that upset. So naturally, I'm looking at different options and trying to figure out what has the longest range. Of commonly available rifles, 444 marlin seems to be near the top of the heap, ballistics wise. Second, they take ordinary .357 ammo and produce ballistics youd hardly believe. It didn't quite make it, but still knocked the steel rams down. Also have a Winchester 1886 in 45-90, I shoot 45-70 loads in it and had no issues. I had just enough time to look at a Winchester 92 in .357(did not like the large loop lever) and an italian copy of the 73. .357 MAGnum throated long to accept .357 MAXimum published loads in MAGnum brass, (Ask about other options such as .35 Remington, .358/.356 Winchester.). I sold my 1980s Marlin 357 in 1996 for 450 to a guy who would not buy a new Marlin with a safety button. by Rusty Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:22 pm, Post Perfect for those states with straight wall case limits and/or overall cartridge case length limits where in most cases the .45 cal. They were hell bent on making me reload. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. All you have to do is search the net for, I survived a center-mass shot from a .357 magnum to see all the supporting evidence you need. Such a great gun I wish theyd never discontinued them. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. I would start there and if you want more velocity you can increase to the max load of 19 gr. H&R and Savage both chambered the .357 Maximum in single-shot rifles or combo guns. Oranges should be squeezed into juice. The more the merrier. The 8 grains of unique seem like fairly hot loads out of the rifle. [2] Shortly thereafter, Dan Wesson Firearms and Thompson/Center Arms introduced firearms in this cartridge. Also, the flame proved to be hard on the rear end of the barrel, rapidly destroying the smooth taper of the forcing cone.The makers involved cleared their drawing boards and mandated corrections. Here are the features to watch out for. lets say it was well used and not maintained. The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. Long throated .357 MAGnum barrels let you create space in the MAGnum case for the same powder charge rates used in factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! It was simply the .357 case lengthened to 1.60 and used the heavier bullets of 158 grains to as much as 200 grains. You can also put ketchup on a hot dog, but you shouldnt. I just read how lever actions were among the first guns carried on single point slings. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. Its just not special enough to me for my wallet to cough up the bucks. Mine was made in about 2005, for what its worth. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. If you can't locate a H&R/NEF in 357 mag a very decent alternative is a Braztech/Rossi made scaled down clone. (Winchester 94) and .22lr (Marlin 39A x2) with various accompanying sidearms. While many manufacturers produce copper jacketed or semi-jacketed bullets, as well as spire point for better accuracy at longer ranges, you can cast your own bullets to load this caliber. But it didnt came from the Marlin factory that way, and it took a custom lever gunsmith a lot of work and a lot of replacement parts to get it there. A . (left) vs. .357 Magnum (Right). The Model X in .357 magnum is super compact with an overall length of just 36.3 inches. A few javelina even took up residence beneath a collapsed radar dish, they just tunneled under the edge and hid out all hunting season. No joke. Not everything has to be tactically sound. by Tycer Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:35 pm, Post This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. I really want to get one in .357 mag. And you get a couple more rounds in the tube. 1. ", Go toMatch Grade Machine or call them at 435 628 0071. Its pleasant to shoot even with .357 mag. It was way past the time Henry made a side loading gate Lever action rifle. At only 6 lbs, it can easily be carried in the handwhich you have to do since it lacks sling studs. Above: Image courtesy of Steinel Ammunition. I would also point out that IHMSA was a. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:23 pm, Post I put a Wild West trigger on the 336, and its great, but that puts the Marlin price right up there with Henry. Available with matte finish on steel frames and a highly polished finish on hardened brass frames, these elegantly simple rifles feature 22" round barrels, fully adjustable folding leaf rear sight and brass bead front sights we use on the lever actions, a drilled and tapped provision for optional scope use, walnut front and rear furniture, a When I lived in the mountains caretaking a state property, soon learned the first day of hunting season would see the deer herd moving onto the property, bedding down behind the residence and the snow plow shed. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. Make sure to watch till the end. Accepted Payment Methods: Returns: 3 Days I still have a stash of Hornady 180 grain SSP's for it. It loads long, with a cartridge overall length (COL) of 2.145 inches, well over the published max COL of 1.990 inches. Yes I had one.. perry42 Nov 23, 2018 #12 Yeah, what ever it is you want has a magical mystical ability of always being someplace else. It should be noted the original loadings of the 357 mag were to 45,000 psi, but when the smaller framed 357's came on the market the pressure of the loads was reduced to 35,000 psi. Features a rugged, stainless steel bolt with 90 bolt throw and rapid lock time for added accuracy. Indeed. Same 357 MAXIMUM 180 gr load in an 18" rifle barrel has a MP= 3111 psi vel 1663 FPS 357 Mag 158 gr 13 gr Win 296 1719 FPS 14" barrel MP= 2586 Should be Ev0-9 safe especially with a Triad Mount. Single shots from Thompson/Center, Wichita and Merrill appeared on the expanding .357 Maximum market. IMHO, go custom. My all-time favorite .357 rifle is still the IMI Timber Wolf pump. This round is about the same thing as a 357 Max except for bore diameter. Perfect. Im a wee bit envious. Returns MUST be left with the transferring dealer. As to market, a very subjective matter. Marlin changed the sliding top strap to a sliding sidewall, therefore making the rifle side-ejecting. Now Rechambering Henry Single Shot .357 Magnum Rifles! I really do want a .357 levergunbut Im perfectly confident in my .30-30. Well I did some research and got the ballistics for commercial .357 Magnum ammunition fired from a rifle. But do you know how to properly use them? Thompson Center Contender Stainless Steel MGM 357 Maximum 12 Barrel (1:14). I had owned two previously and traded them off as they were great with jacketed bullets but not lead (microgroove). The trigger is even really nice for a lever gun and I own a bunch of them. I chose not to raid the checking account for a c-note more and have been kicking myself since. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Either will give hunting accuracy better than a big percentage of "varmint rifles! : .357" (except where otherwise specified in remarks). There were some factory chambered in .357 Remington Maximum over 20 guage. Some hunters have decided to have single-shot rifles rechambered for the cartridge because it's very easy to handle when fired from a rifle. But after losing popularity due to gas cutting issues, this chambering was eventually dropped by all manufacturers. No one currently makes guns chambered in the cartridge.Looking back on the whole incident is very interesting, and there is much to be learned. Manufacturer Cimarron Firearms br brModel 1892 Lever Action Riflebr brSKU AS621br brCaliber .357 Magnumbr brCapacity 10 Roundsbr brBarrel Length  20 Oct CIM CA2903 CIM UBERTI 1894 RIFLE 38-55 26" Brand: CIMARRON FIREARMS CO Item Number: CIM CA2903 UPC: 814230101112 Cimarron Firearms, the leader in authentic replicas from America Glock #32 (357 Sig) -- #13 rounds magazine -- #3 Magazines and loader only! Count yourself lucky They are getting to very hard to find! Jim Rhodes Greenville, Al. I know both of these are on the cheap side but the fun my kids and I have when we bring this to the range is priceless. The buyer should be picky. 008-E503829 | MTM. If you use 158-grain bullets on game, I highly recommend softpoints over hollowpoints. Also, those hotter loaded ammunitions usually over boast about their velocity. Caint answer Ur ? My lever lust may remain unquenched. https://www.rincolnia.com/images/Public/38SPL_SUPP.mp4. . Some loads use bullets of .358 for jacketed and .359 for lead. 357 max has one of the best resale records out there. Just my opinion, your mileage may vary. But the tyrants have publicly said they hate repeating firearms. If a customer takes possession of the firearm, Intrepid considers this acceptance of the condition, and will not offer a return. I settled on Accurate 1680 propellant. Springfield Armory SA-35 Pistol: Rebirth of the Browning P-35 Hi-Power. Rossi makes various models starting at about $500. It was introduced in 1935, and its use has since become widespread. That is fast. . The only guy I knew who shot 357 Max had a Ruger SBH and a Marlin lever gun re-chambered for the Max cartridge. About the only .357 or .38 spl ammo available now is the pricey 30-bucks-for-a-box-of-20 defensive loads. Looks like they replaced my hammer with a used part and there is some marks on the front sight hood that werent there before. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:32 pm, Post Just wish the all-weather version didnt have the silly loop lever. .44-40. And if you do it right, .38 Special or .357 Mag is an incredibly cheap round to reload, with brass that lasts forever and makes a fine alternative to .22LR when plinking ammo is hard to find. At pressures in the 40,000-psi range, they helped avoid primer flowback that can tie up a break-action firearm. Caveat Emptor. Custom barrels made by the best of the custom TC barrel manufacturers! This is a very efficient cartridge for hunters of medium game animals like deer and hogs. I have become a fan. This beefed up, elongated .357 Magnum has also been chambered in Dan Wesson revolvers as well as several single shot rifles and pistols including the T/C Contender. CHECK FOR EXCESS PROTRUSION OF THE CASE FROM THE END OF THE BARREL BEFORE FIRING! The .35 Remington case is basically a .308 Winchester (but slightly narrower and shorter) with a .358" diameter bullet stuffed into it. being a good functional maximum charge with 180 gr. Got a lot of positive comments on it. NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for . My one friend was shooting 158jsp out of his as they shot very well. And if even a Henry is a little rich for your blood, Rossi makes perfectly serviceable pistol-caliber levers that retail in the mid-$500s. Detachable rotary magazine features a unique rotor to separate cartridges and . I would not mind adding a budget minded lever gun to my lot, something as accurate as my buddys. . The company would sell you all you wanted for ten bucks apiece, but a gun that tried to cut itself in half was doomed to failure. Somewhere around 7,500 guns were made. The .357 Remington Maximum was conceived primarily as an ultra-velocity, flat-trajectory silhouette cartridge. hollow points, you can aim dead on with it at 100 yds. Build a Ruger#1. A 180-grain version was added, but it was also a hollowpoint. Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on July 21, 2015: I had the opportunity to fire a colleague's .357 Max "Contender" and he worked with my .41 Magnum. Not even a Rossi(saw a trick shot dude on a video whos main gun was a Rossi). Please try a new zip code and search again. Henry is close with SPX but went plastic stock.DOH! The comparisons have all included .357 magnum pistol velocities though. 1 single-shot rifle in .357 Magnum, extra rifles without the CHP markings were offered through employee sales. Youll see how relevant lever guns are next time the bolsheviks are in the white house. Unless Marlin has COMPLETELY reformed their QC system, I would never spend $600 on one of their levers. 357 Magnum Rifle M.V. Ill just be here waiting on .357 lever guns to be relevant. But I take your point that a rifle can be usefuland fun. The Story of my life it seems. Through the years, the company continued to expand and . Seldom has any new gun/ new cartridge combination failed so quickly.Ruger's long-framed Blackhawk was first to market in two barrel lengths. It is the .357 Remington Maximum. Regardless of the manufacturer, most reloading books recommend you do not load bullets lighter than 158 grains. Im still waiting for someone to make a 357 in. That feature was what was holding me back from buying one. Being forced to use the Winchester Trapper, the horror. You get the best of both the classic function of a lever gun with modern improvements. With higher-performance loads, the .357 carbine almost delivers real rifle ballistics.
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