2. We don't really know enough at this point. And yes, if a doctor is an intern at my hospital I would And yes, if a doctor is an intern at my hospital I would not hesitate scheduling surgery (I'm sure he/she is cheaper) since I know he's had full training. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms and during spring break we slept 12 to a hotel room. Fares are still way to high in the industry. The starting and long-term salaries offered by Breeze Airway are as follows for First Officers and Captains: First Officers: $55 an hour raise to $94 an hour by the sixth year of employment, Captains: $117 an hour raised to $143 an hour by year six of flying with the company. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. Nice, new and nonstop. May be this a good business model. If not enough apply because the pay is too low, then the company can decide if they want to raise their pay. Airfare provided to go home monthly. If not the airplane no flight. That's open, unabashed exploitation of skilled labor in an (only temporary) downtown. The wont to have pilots on there books, but wont have at the beginnig a lot of flightsSo from a business point it makes sence to have more pilots who only fligh 55h instead of having less pilots with 75h. 2) Free Travel! You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. But its gross. Well your also comparing companies that have been in business for a substantial time period. *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. ", but I actually challenge you to schedule surgery with a doctor with only a GED. This is how young doctors learn their craft in America and all over the world. ), what most likely happened after you got your paralytic and your anesthesia is some slightly tired, fresh-face resident came in to practice his/her craft on you. And which also clearly states that there will be no contract renewal. I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. Yeah.let us be honest.A 25 year veteran flight attendant is not someone most of us want on a flight. Everyone should apply. However, earning minimum wages at a dead-end job, working every weekend, no benefits, no time/money/opportunity to explore new cities, and being forced to sign a 4-year contract at the outset are all red flags that employment as a flight attendant at Breeze should be avoided at all costs. Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! But how does this affect pay for pilots? It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. Students hired by Breeze under the program, however, can only work as flight attendants while they are completing the university course. Nice. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. Thanks for update !! An airline, perfect for SLC. Log into your account. Death to racist capitalism, Life and good health to the international working class. 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. Breeze has promised to pay flight attendants a fixed monthly rate of $1,200, alongside an annual bursary of $6,000 and free shared company accommodation. They make expensive mistakes. There could be plenty of pilots typed and timed in the E-jets whod be willing to take this awhile waiting to get (back) to the majors. Captain 1st year $192 and $203 in year six. 909 N. Sepulveda Blvd, 11th Floor If the public and the FAA is satisfied with the drinks they get served and the safety practices that by law must be followed then perhaps there is no reason at all for them to vote with their feet. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. Yes, they are using and abusing us. It's that, or these guys and their families starve. Founded in 2018, Breeze Airways was advertised to become the Worlds Nicest Airline. In youth I worked fast food full-time for many years. For a college student, this beats the shit out of working at the mall. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. Very clever. But thank you again for the advice. The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. David Neeleman, the founder of Breeze Airways, also started JetBlue not too long ago, but the pilot payscale for both companies is quite different. Or to put it another way, by year six, First Officers at Breeze Airways end up making almost half as much as JetBlue Co-Pilots. maximum takeoff weight), Note: PIC is defined as Captain or Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must pass a DOT pre-employment drug test, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, MyIDTravel (preferred), or list at the gate, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours. The most qualified and competent FA candidates will not be happy with a job that is not only poorly paid, but offers next-to-zero chances of becoming a career with that employer, while being viewed negatively by the career employers in the field. According to the hiring website, the maximum you can work is 60 hours a month and a maximum of 12 days. maximum takeoff weight), Must have 500 hours of PIC in large, Group II transport category aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. I commuted weekly on Southwest out of MDW got an apartment with 5 other classmates. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. Breeze Airways First Officers: $62,000 by year six, JetBlue First Officers: $117,000 by year six, Breeze Airways Captains: $94,000 by year six. I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. Not how youd describe most 70-year-olds. I suppose if there has ever been a time where airlines can get away with hiring pilots for cheap, this is it. Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. Captain will make 3 times this Im surprised David Neeleman would set such low rates for pay. The most important sentence in this article is this the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options. Can't believe. The benefit of getting on right now at Breeze is seniority in the future. Housing and travel to/from work provided. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. And why frankly, should businesses be saddled with this expense? Upon arrival, you sat for 5 hours, then returned to LGA. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. This might work in the short-term, but the moment that demand recovers, the airline is going to have to significantly increase pay, or it will risk having pilots leave in droves. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I graduate. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. JetBlue First Officers: $89 an hour for year 1 and $130 an hour by year 6, Captains at JetBlue: $192 an hour to start, then a climb to $203 an hour by year. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. If a for-profit-company hires someone and calls an "intern," that person is still an employee and subject to all of the requirements of the FLSA, NGPA Expo - February 9-10 in PSP Booth 525, Women in Aviation - February 23-25 in LGB - Booth 549, TPNx April 21-22 in MCO, Currently hiring E190/195 and A220 First Officers, E190/195 Captains, and Australian Pilots that hold or have previously held an E-3 visa, New hire classes every month for the E190/195 and A220, Scheduled passenger service on the E190/195 flying consists of day trips (no overnights) with limited flying on Tuesday and Wednesday, Charter business is very robust on the E190/195 Charter flights may operate any day of the week, A220 operates a traditional schedule 7 days per week, Significant growth and expansion planned over the next 5 years, Breeze flies to 30+ cities from coast to coast, Eight A220s delivered as of August 2022 - 73 more to be delivered and options for 40 more, Ejet fleet projected to grow to 30 by 2025, A220 fleet is projected to grow to nearly 60 by the end of 2025, A new training center opened in SLC with one E190/195 simulator and one A220 simulator, $200 million in funding was raised in August of 2021. Airfare provided to go home monthly. We are in search of the best and the brightest to join our dynamic team of aviation and people enthusiasts. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. What do you make of these Breeze insights? I will be marching tomorrow on May Day for an egalitarian communist revolution with hundreds of myvworking class comrades in Brooklyn. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. Or perhaps thats actually the goal that Breeze wants a revolving door of pilots so that it can keep pilots towards the bottom of the pay scale. According to Neeleman: Ive shared my general thoughts on Breeze in the past, though based on these updates I have a few more things to add: Breeze should be launching operations shortly, becoming the second new US airline to launch in a matter of weeks. This means pilots (not just new pilots ) are out there making with the government wants minimum wage to be. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. Many young girls and guys want to be a flight attendant from 20-65 or older. When I flew with Virgin America I was based at SFO, but lived in ORD. What sets Breeze Airways hourly salaries apart is the monthly hourly guarantee, which is only 55 hours, or at most, $7,865 per month before taxes (for Captains in their sixth year). Every Friday Saturday, and Sunday of the month. Not Germany, France, the UK, Japan, no one. Its stated that the role of flight attendants will be part time, as theyll work 15 days per month. Im a bit confused. New airplane, new business model. For a certain person, this could be an ideal job. While perhaps not quite as controversial, Breezes approach to hiring pilots is also raising some eyebrows, as flagged by @StringAndRuder and @AirlineFlyer. And was told that 90% would be "turns", out and back same day - no layovers. Breeze knows this. They had over a hundred applicants. 2. It is a pity that in this country, health care should fall on the shoulders of an employer or the employee. I am a 40 year flight attendant at a legacy carrierand I llove my job. Every job would hire people at less than half pay and call them interns if they could get away with it. As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. The new carrier, founded by serial aviation entrepreneur David Neeleman first teased the idea, code-named Moxy, in mid-2018. . They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms And you're worried about the quality of housing? As a former 40 year flight attendant, I can assure you if there is an emergency on board, you will be in much better off and in much more capable hands with a 25-40 year flight attendant than a 20 year old airhead! A union can negotiate for the whole group, unity makes force. Im a retired AA captain. Almost every airline has it in the agreement that upon graduation from FA training you have to get yourself to whatever base they need crew at. On the small regional hops, inexperience is almost the default. Does this really qualify as an "internship"? JetBlue is the only other major US airline to fly Embraer 190/195s, proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, Introduction: Four Times Across The Atlantic. And there are always plenty more ready to come into the pipeline. Or what if you decide to get children? Spirit airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the world proving that many people care more about price than most other things on flights. If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. Well what about Maintenance. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. Spirit passengers, not so much. Eight months later our crashpad lease expired. *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Guess which days you're going to be working? A cult, . 1200/month in 2021??? Given that long haul truckers can make that and more, with additional signing bonuses, you must really love to fly and be desperate. Most professionals are comfortable with the idea of a starter job, and aren't looking for a father figure in their employer to guide them gently into old age. Some will likely say that Breeze Airways proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, with so many pilots furloughed or laid off. You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. Thanks !! Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. 1. Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. And I think at the moment there are a lot of pilots looking for work. Wont fly them with this info. You should be too. Because it is an opportunity to teach them the skills to land a career or job that they would not have otherwise had a chance for. Starting up a new airline in a global pandemic is certainly difficult. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. This business model shows that there is still tremendous opportunity to drive down wring out costs in flying. As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. Here's to hoping for an actual pilot shortage in the next few years, and then we'll all be laughing at this ridiculous pay. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! Rebook or cancel up to 15 minutes prior to scheduled departure without penalty. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I As a college student, I love the idea! its entrepreneurs and change-makers. Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours Breeze won't charge change or cancelation fees Of Course, Oops: Jetstars Embarrassing Bali Flight Blunder. Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly Breeze Airways is ready to take flight. No Per Diem. Its their choice. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. Yep.when there is an emergency on board and seconds or mistakes can mean the difference between life and death, what I want is a bunch of 20 something overgrown teenagers with absolutely no investment in their jobs in charge! Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. This company is bad for the US economy and society. Whats my take? He is probably right in both those factors. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. Finally, an "internship" employment model has limited potential for growth. Nah man, cars suck. Starbucks employees don't plan on a career there, but they love the culture and it offers them a launching pad. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. Your slip is showing. The initiative will see flight attendants be paid a fixed sum of $1,200 each month. The pay scale also looks good. Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. But make sure you ask the a million question, even the stupid ones BEFORE you sign the contract. @Ben L. exhibiting developmental delay for snark: that's concerning. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. Given the circumstances, the airline carrier will be in dire need of profits to recoup its initial investments. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. That's the Breeze way. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" at the best online prices at eBay! We live in a free market economy. Landing June 2023. The pay is horrifically low, though. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. Does the fact that all FA positions are, looking at the website, classified as "part-time" allow them to avoid paying for health insurance? El Segundo, CA 90245. Tons of excess pilot supply at the moment. Even if/though they get corporate housing (which could also be really dismal) they've still got to pay for food. The low cost price they originally show you is a scam. Wow, what a depressing indicator of the state of our society with an emptied out middle class that flight attendants are being hired at poverty wages and worthless online "tuition credits.". And @Ben L. is still reminiscing the best cars in the world evar, made by 100% union labor in the 1980s. I think Breeze will likely be cheaper while SW offers 2 free checked bags. The end result will be lesser pilots and more accidents in the future. I expect a complete unbundling a la Spirit but with a much wider, more attractive range of upgrade interests for passengers. These skills are essential for them to be able to take the next step in their careers and lives. That would make for some interesting competition to Southwest. How will Breeze compensate flight attendants? American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. Four major career destroying events in 20 years. *No insurance provided. The airline carrier has opted to utilize a fleet of Embraer 195s. New. Even brands that truly tried to build a better experience (jetblue, alaska, virgin (rip)) eventually competed mostly on price. return on investment. I dwelled on my sad fate at length. Maybe there are ancillary benefits/travel privileges' that are enormously valuable to some people. A place that likes control over everyone and everything, Mormone like. I wish more airlines provided housing options. People in that position have the option of not working and watching their skills and socialization go fallow, or working and having the first and last dollar of their income taxed at 70% and more under federal and state taxation.
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