On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Youve both shown unconditional love through this whole time, a very evident virtue of not just the Lusks but others that have had to endure the same thing. I have tried to cause Gov. As long you don't talk to others about your non belief you should not get DF'd. Individuals who are disfellowshipped may be reinstated after an extended period if they are deemed to demonstrate repentance. Slim to none! In certain situations, a body of elders may handle a situation involving "serious sin" by a baptized Witness without a judicial committee: A person who confesses or is accused of a serious sin is invited to attend a judicial committee meeting. The Internet's most comprehensive resource for ex-Jehovah's Witnesses, a community for support, recovery and a few laughs along the way. The unborn is innocent. I couldnt help but think that maybe someone should curate a book of statements that are read at these church courts or some type of audio exhibit. He left for Illinois and secretly declared war of Illby vote, numbers, and his military legion. Wouldn't that give them the message loud and clear that hostage-taking works? WebHowever, to deviate from the beliefs would be to position oneself in a light of apostasy. There's been some good responses to your request for advice. I think Herbert and several elite leaders are plundering America and UT. I expected con artists running nonexistent government to operate under nonexistent law. Anyone who speaks badly about the cult is an apostate, misled by the devil and needs to be shunned, and avoided at all cost. 5. Then he sent them to colonize other counties. No need to appeal. I was a 2nd grader in a 2nd and 4th split class. Thats interesting. Ask question instead of saying directly challenging comments or sharing info. I really appreciated hearing the statements that were read. Please feel free to browse and contribute to the sub while we get that sorted for you! Cut your losses and leave. The extortion and LDS references are gone. At times, some temporary policy may be announced that might be seen as disciplinary; for example, it may be that an additional attendant is assigned outside a Kingdom Hall to discourage children from running on the sidewalk.[19]. It was those final years that were the crucial period for me. I could not do my work and had to stay in at recess. An estimated 70,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are disfellowshipped every year roughly 1% of the church's total population, according to data Mitt lost being elected. There is no FEDERAL title of nobility in Roe to murder and go unpunished. Learn how your comment data is processed. Honestly I wish for you, you never got involved with someone who is indoctrinated, and whilst I understand you love her, my instinct is to tell you cut your loses and to run for the hills. On May 30, 2010, at age 88, Franz fell and suffered a brain hemorrhage. "Gileads 61st Graduation a Spiritual Treat", Jehovah's Witnesses and congregational discipline. Churches are afforded great latitude when they impose discipline on members or former members.[124][125][126]. Leaders wanted it named Zion but God would not allow it. Does she want to get reinstated because she believes or because she wants to reconnect with jw family and friends that she misses? 24 related questions found. WebOn September 1, 1980, the Governing Body distributed a letter to all Circuit and District overseers stating that apostates need not be promoting doctrines to be disfellowshipped. He clearly stated that he was not promoting his discovery to others. WebRay Franz was disfellowshipped from the Jehovahs Witnesses because he could no longer, in good conscience abide by the rules and false teachings that were conjured by Nowhere in 17 does it state the elected by the people have power to case their states senate vote. According to the Bible, no Jehovah's Witness should be disfellowshipped for reading so-called "apostate" material. He allows illegals here with the same belief. I have attended many zoom meeting with my wife as well. [12][13] The March 15, 1980, issue of The Watchtower issued a statement of regret that its assertions of probability of Armageddon arriving before 1975 had "apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of expectation already initiated. Looking at apostate information is considered unforgivable by many and she might not take it well. I'm all for a good fight but why would you appeal something as enjoyable as being kicked out of JW's? WebYou would be labeled an apostate. Protecting the Flock, Watch Tower Society letter to district and circuit overseers, September 1, 1980, part 1. They know the apostate member is lost to them, but the can then say to the world we didnt fire them, they resigned. Former Leavitt helped set up Homeland Securitywe lost our privacy in the Patriot Act. WebDisfellowshipping is intended to be the acknowledgement that an ordained minister had turned their back on the congregation and is no longer recognized as a minister of the congregation until they choose to return. WebHe was appointed a member of the Governing Body in 1971. It definitively can't apply to a non-baptized non-minister. There surely must be good people in Utah. [100][101] A notification form is sent to the local branch office and records of the disfellowshipping are saved in the congregational records. It helps me know how to recognize how close the LDS are at conquering America. Who writes the books and magazines she studies at meetings? Our earlier interview with the Lusks where we hear their Mormon Story may be found here: 1131-1136: Jared, Gwen, & Madison Lusk: A Former Mormon Bishop and His Family from New Mexico Face Excommunication for Apostasy. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Well when I finally started doing research on ex-JWs I found this subreddit and read others experiences on being a JW. As you can see it splits families apart very quickly. God will not mock him by helping anyone fight it today. No, he shouldn't let his wife know about his research AT ALL. Smith finished writing his government and constitution in 1844. I guess as she wants to be reinstated she fully believes the doctrine? If you feel insulted being called an apostate who is mentally diseased, that is the least of your worries. If she wants to go back just to be reinstated so she can talk with her family then yes you should agree with it and help her out. Keep secrets from the organization. Search on YouTube for ABC NEWS Jehovah Wintesses. Web6.44K subscribers The Disfellowshipping of Son Of Thunder. WebA variety of controls can be enforced, from reproof and restriction of congregational duties to excommunication, known as disfellowshipping, which includes shunning. I felt really sad for Sonja . Franz joined the Jehovah's Witnesses in 1938, and became a baptized member in 1939. [105] Exceptions are made in some cases, such as business relations and immediate family household situations. We know that the federal departments wear Smiths satanic mantle when they write policies. How generous and non judgmental of Jared towards the high council I have no hard feelings great men. This page was last edited on 28 February 2023, at 12:39. Active : easy to manage from lds leadership point of view. Reproof is given before all who are aware of the transgression. WebFrom the Watchtower, April 15, 2015. Science says we all carry 14 generations of ancestors in our genes screaming, clawing, and extorting to do what they want. In 1836-37 Smith settled his band into town after town, called the people together to hear his revelation from his GOD that they were to deed over to him their lands, cattle, buildings, supplies, machinery, homes, wives and daughters to him to do with as he saw fit. I forgot about it until fate/providence showed me Smiths terrifying, satanic, brutal laws. Once all the evidence is presented, the accused and all witnesses are dismissed and the committee reviews the evidence and the attitude of the accused.[76]. [79] After the hearing is opened with a prayer, the accused is invited to make a personal statement. God must have been disappointed with my stupidity. The leadership of Jehovahs Witnesses (JWs) has been accused of exercising a type of monopoly over its members. LDS have put 60 million women on death row who have no idea they must die like they murdered. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I need to be more careful. Joe Slaiman was a district overseer in Australia and he sent the Society a letter stating the reasons why he no longer believes in the bible. Did his wife go with him? Contribute to chinapedia/wikipedia.en development by creating an account on GitHub. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. He will not! He murdered members, terrorized them and kept them in fear for their lives and the well being of their children. If the action is known generally by the entire congregation or the wider community, an announcement is made at the midweek meeting that the person "has been reproved". [129] The fine was initially 96,000 before being reduced. [10], The body of elders may withhold its recommendation for a member to serve in a new position of responsibility, though still permitting existing responsibilities. You can tell them that although you don't believe in the bible or in creation, you need to continue as a member in order to keep your family ties. The practice of disfellowshipping, particularly the shunning of family members, has been criticized by many non-members and ex-members. :), This is amazing news to me I worked along with Joe and his wife in the field in my younger years.. so great to hear a name that is familiar and who has woken up .. , Congrats! Both are kept until at least five years after reinstatement. I tried. Most of us have not caught on nor listened to truth. Listen to podcast on Apple podcasts or Spotify, search for Call Bethel. He was allowed to just fade and not be bothered by the Cult leaders. Franz stated the request for his resignation and his subsequent disfellowshipping resulted from allegations of apostasy. Just go gently, dropping little breadcrumbs of information. [10], Frustrated by what he viewed as the Governing Body's dogmatism and overemphasis on traditional views rather than reliance on the Bible in reaching doctrinal decisions, Franz and his wife decided in late 1979 they would leave the international headquarters.[11]. At least that has been my experience; 20 years an elder. [11], Members who persist in a course considered scripturally wrong after repeated counsel by elders, but who are not considered guilty of something for which they could be disfellowshipped, can be "marked", based on Jehovah's Witnesses' interpretation of 2Thessalonians3:1415 (NWT): "14 But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked and stop associating with him, so that he may become ashamed. WebApostate v. Jehovah's Witness - Part 1 - Alex. Nowhere in Roe does it say abortionists have a presidential pardon to murder and go unpunished. Amazing, thanks to all for sharing. It will hurt, but walk away now. Smith received a revelation god had given the nonmembers fruits to the Mormons. We help when we should not be helping. WebThe Society reinforces its ban on any critical thinking by stating that individuals may be disfellowshipped for any action that "may involve or lead to apostasy" (Pay Attention, p. 95, emphasis mine); i.e., a Witness may be disfellowshipped for apostasy even if that person has not rebelled against Watchtower teachings! If a disassociated or disfellowshipped individual requests reinstatement, a judicial committee, (preferably using the committee originally involved, if available) seeks to determine whether the person has repented. A 1981 letter to overseersreproduced in a book by former Governing Body member Raymond Franzdirected that a member who "persists in believing other doctrine", even without promoting such beliefs, may also be subject to disfellowshipping. If kids gets involved things gets even more complicated. The Society has broken sexual misconduct into three distinct types of offenses, each described in explicit detail and requiring an increasingly severe punishment: [113][110] Once a decision is made to reinstate, a brief announcement is made to the congregation that the individual "is reinstated as one of Jehovah's Witnesses". [76], The committee takes the role of prosecutor, judge and jury when handling its cases. I lost any meaningful relationship with my parents and siblings due to this cult. WebWhile still disfellowshipped, she has cut communication with your mother for expressing her opinion on the religion SHE IS NO LONGER PART OF and you have supported her on this. You know the best but for that watch these documentaries so you know what you can expect from this cult. Jehovah's Witnesses employ various levels of congregational discipline as formal controls administered by congregation elders. Jesus told them it was none of their business. All rights reserved. I can do nothing else. They want gentiles dead and LDS alive to so they can stop fighting and force us to submit to Smiths revelation beast slaver. The following month, a committee of the Governing Body raised concerns about "wrong teachings" being spread by headquarters staff and began questioning staff about their beliefs. He/she was forced into existence without their permission. Judge Trease did too. We hear the Holy Ghost. It's not worth it to have a miserable life. A minimum of two witnesses is required to establish guilt, based on their understanding of Deuteronomy 17:6 and Matthew 18:16, unless the person confesses voluntarily. The last fifteen years I had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. We will also discuss why the Lusks are disappointed in the verdict. WebThe w86 3/15 likens apostate literature to reading pornography. Look at Trump. Tell me, when you attended meetings with her was she shunned? In church history, it seems there are three essentials that each church must have. What he should do instead is use what he learns from his research to ask his wife questions about the difficult issues, like why the WT Society tells JWs to shun then turns right around and claims to not break up families. The subject of disfellowshipping among the Jehovahs Witnesses is seriously misunderstood. avoid reproach on God's name and organization by indicating that violations of the Bible's standards in their ranks are not tolerated; keep the congregation free of possible corrosive influences; convince the disfellowshipped individual to re-evaluate their course of action, repent and rejoin the group. I told them that such a decision was moronic as evolution is established fact and that it is not condemned scripturaly. [66], A congregation's body of elders considers confessions or credible allegations of serious sin, and decides whether a judicial committee will be formed to address the matter. Ive had several conversations with PIMIs that acknowledge that the official doctrine does allow for evolution, though only micro evolution. WebGitHub export from English Wikipedia. Some evidence has surfaced showing he started WWI. Its weird when I was a jw I always heard about disfellowshipped people ending up on drugs with various illnesss. I now began to realize how large a measure of what I had based my entire adult life course on was just that, a mythpersistent, persuasive and unrealistic. Attending meetings regularly while being shunned is a requirement for eventual reinstatement. So no need to get in a panic as if you need her out of that org today! JWs are soooo afraid of apostates, like a demon might possess them, take them over.. Talking to someone who has left the org will not get you disfellowshipped. In 1972, suicidal Blackmun writes Roe v Wade, abortion, to dismantle the US constitution and force citizens into corporate slavery. Ill bet he cannot tell you why he has worked so hard to provide jobs and try to make America great. [2][3] Two elders (or an elder and a ministerial servant) may schedule and perform a particular shepherding visit on their own or at the direction of the body of elders. Participation at religious meetings, including commenting from the audience, is initially not permitted; such "privileges" may be gradually permitted over time if the individual is considered to have "progressed spiritually". DISFELLOWSHIPPING Christians can greet and speak with disfellowshipped ones. In 1973 -4, I read Roe and it was full of extortion on Texas to obey and implement Roejust like in church. [17] He was called back to Brooklyn on May 20 for two days of questioning[18] by the Chairman's Committee. This is another great documentary about them which will help you understand them better. In most of the free exercise cases decided by the Supreme Court the government has acted against the religious group, either by imposing criminal sanctions for religious conduct or denying members some benefit because of their religious beliefs. Disfellowshipping An extreme form of excommumincation and shunning practiced by several American-based Christian sects such as Jehovahs Witnesses and Mormons. Even if that happens, OP would still be better off in an actual christian church, not the JW cult. I think someone showed Trump my findings. We realize this might be a big step for you, and we are grateful for your courage. Herbert/huntsman promote RF meters microwave radiation poison frequency that cases tumors, cancer, heart disease and death by torture using 2G and 3G! Webwhen one of the anointed is disfellowshipped: w76 158-159; w60 224; w58 478, 543. whether to investigate wrongdoers no longer associating: km 2/74 6. whether to take a disfellowshipped person to a worldly court: w73 703-704. Reproof involves actions for which a person could be disfellowshipped, and is said to be an effort to 'reach the heart' and convince a person of the need to hate the sanctioned actions[80][81] and repent. But the reality is they are a high-control doomsday cult and your wife is still drinking the kool-aid. A number of the GB believed him to be an apostate in 1980, but they didnt have the numbers to remove as such, so he resigned. I am afraid that the negative aspects of being a JW have taken place with my wife and my mom and our family. Members who know whose actions are being discussed may then consider the individual "marked". According to Franz, he began working in the organization's writing department and was assigned to collaboratively write Aid to Bible Understanding, the first religious encyclopedia published by Jehovah's Witnesses. You have attended the KH with her where she had to be ignored by everybody and likely sit at the back (not by choice), but you thought nothing bad of it. Congregation elders may offer counsel in privileged settings, with the opportunity for the member to confess wrongdoing. This is intended to alert other members already aware of the individual's conduct to limit social interaction with that person. So shes already separated you from your family? I am look for people that love freedom, justice, equal protection of the law, truth and all that is lovely and of good report. Just relax knowing that generally jws don't do anything physically harmfulthey don't eat babies or carry weapons, etc, although they do refuse blood transfusions. [20] The Governing Body investigation resulted in the disfellowshipping of several other headquarters staff. [91][92] Witness literature states that avoiding interaction with disfellowshipped former adherents helps to:[93], Shunning is also practiced when a member formally resigns membership or is deemed to indicate by their actionssuch as accepting a blood transfusion[96] or association with another religion[97] or military organization[98]that they do not wish to be known as a Witness. [15] This statement, which placed blame for the disappointment about 1975 on Raymond Franz as the former chairman of the writing committee, precipitated a purge of that committee. Press J to jump to the feed. Young then began bragging he knew how to get everything he wanted. I don't envy you one bit. How is that possible. [65] Witnesses are instructed that pledges of confidentiality may be broken to report what they believe to be transgressions. Everyone and their dog wants to conquer America. You will find a lot of helpful info and people here. Nowhere in 17 does it state the elected by the people have authority to caste the states senate vote in violation of Art. My LDS ancestors carry these terrors from Smith and Young. [16] On May 8, 1980, Franz was told that he had been implicated as an apostate. Even talking to a disfellowshipped person once or twice will just get you a talking to at first. I could tolerate it when it was just me, but after having a family of my own I will call them out if they mention this stuff in my house. They want to get out fast when the bubble pops. WebAnswer (1 of 59): A short answer: they dont, but the difference between being disfellowshipped and being an apostate can be confusing for someone who is not a Disfellowshipment, rather than excommunication, may be a tactic to try and neutralize this very real danger to the finances of the Corporation. I had to fight. After we take possession of our kingdom, Jesus gets his neverending government. Had I been clear headed, I would have driven them out of my life long ago. Personal "shepherding visits" are intended to encourage members of the congregation, though may also include counsel and correction, then or on a subsequent visit. Jws is basically a doomsday cult. It's TRUE what they say. No law since 1913 is constitutional. Im a lifelong member of the church with 6 happy children and a super wife. When the teacher taught about the constitution, I was spell bound. ( I have been part of many appeals committees; a decision was never overturned) to dF someone for apostasy, odds are they contacted the CO and the branch (unless they are an ignorant body of elders; many of those) in that case the appeals committee will work their magic; trust me, they will find a way to uphold the initial decision to disfellowship. [67] A judicial committee, usually consisting of three elders, investigates the details of the alleged sin further. It is now that you are mentally diseased. He brought thousands of immigrants where who believe we must feed them before we feed our children, pets and selves. He says the Deep State controls the courts. Both times Jared told his stake president that he would NOT stop expressing his disbelief on social media explicitly defying the counsel of Jareds priesthood leadership (which in and of itself is ground for apostasy). The appeal process is not so they hear you out and change any wrongs in the first process. [119], An unbaptized individual who has previously been approved to share in Jehovah's Witnesses' formal ministry, but who subsequently behaves in a manner considered inappropriate may lose privileges, such as commenting at meetings, receiving assignments, or even accompanying the congregation in the public ministry. Davidian Seventh-day Adventist is the official title given to the adherents of a laymans reform movement that arose from within the Seventh-day Adventist Church. That's quite a rapid development. Its all just a formality. In 1838 Smith lost his war with MO and was convicted of treason, supposed to be executed but escaped with extortion on the army. I wondered how the kind, honest, truthful, caring, humble, wrongfully persecuted Smith got convicted of treason in MO. As more and more churches turn apostate, how will we know when its time to leave our church and find a biblical one? If your post is not released within 24 hours, we may have determined that it was not best suited for our sub at this time. I just dont see myself believing it and becoming a JW. "[123] The letter states that one does not have to "promote" different doctrines to be an apostate, adding that elders need to "discern between one who is a trouble-making apostate and a Christian who becomes weak in the faith and has doubts."[123]. Distraught by how things turned out, David labored hard over the Causing divisions. Category: Apostasy.) The consciences of the Witnesses are overruled. They are to be disfellowshipped because Jesus is trying to have the Bride appear before the Groom as spotless, and Why does she feel so defensive about the religion that nobody can criciticize it? Why are there no references or quotations in their books? [86][87], All members are expected to abide by the beliefs and moral standards of Jehovah's Witnesses. I tried so hard. Shunning starts immediately after the announcement is made. I cannot find an early Roe copy with the extortion and LDS references. Both returned to the Dominican Republic in 1961 to evangelize for four more years and were then assigned to Watch Tower headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.[8]. Coincidentally (yeah right) it was around the same time that Ray Franz was being judicially handled. She obviously wasnt active then at all and we quickly moved in with each other. [76] If the accused repeatedly fails to attend an arranged hearing, the committee will proceed but will not make a decision until evidence and testimony by witnesses are considered. WebBaguhin ang wika ng site. We are slow to anger. 1. [128], In 2021, Belgium issued a 12,000 fine to Jehovah's Witnesses for discrimination and inciting hatred against people who left the religion. If any objective, unbiased and irrefutable evidence were discovered that there is a God who created all things, then you might consider believing again. I was told to sell my home to pay the court fees. [53] Individuals who are disfellowshipped may be reinstated after an extended period if they are deemed to demonstrate repentance. Smith/Young knew all this stuff and now I know it and so do you. Their verdict was to disfellowship me because I believed in evolution. If all fails, it may seriously come down to two routes - divorce or you just let her go back and try to support her. A variety of controls can be enforced, from reproof and restriction of congregational duties to excommunication, known as disfellowshipping, which includes shunning. This was covered rather extensively in Crisis of Consciencenot accepting established doctrine issued by the GB=apostasy, unfortunatelyand is basis for disfellowshipping. The only information that is teue and valid is the broadcast, meetings, and publications. Act 1:6 the arrogant, haughty Jewish apostles cornered the resurrected Christ asking when they would get the kingdom returned to them. One of our human mods will be around shortly to release it into the the sub so that you can enjoy your new debut. It was hard for me to return to the bible. And it is really for the good of the sinning member because God desires that they repent. I got my property tax notice and looked up the law authorizing collection of taxesdid not exist. Thank you. See Proclaimers book p.628 bottom part. Trying to find this on the WOL -- but they don't use page numbers. Requests for appeal must be made in writing and within seven days of the decision of the judicial committee.
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