Like the guy who was in charge of SGM, he got away scot-free and is doing well for himself despite the outcry against him. one person, after 6 months finally started to say why they didnt attend gateway anymore and it made me wonder why people dont warn others. this discussion you make today determines your destiny, God wants you to forgive. It is often just a wise thing to do if one is familiar with those types. James River Church's 2020 Christmas service. Then I would take notice that there might be something to their repentance. What do you think, Albuquerque? They may have been totally shocked when Mark began to spew his rude, humiliating, oppressive descriptions and warped perceptions of scripture and men and women. Did he write (with $200k ResultSource juice job) a Best-Seller on His Humility (chuckle chuckle)? @ Nancy: We are passionate about . 15 But the Lord said to Ananias, Go! And he cant really do that if he keep holding on to the more sexist, frat boy type of Christianity that Neo Calvinists support that he was espousing at Mars Hill. But Peter rebuked him for his motives and told him to repent of his wickedness and told him he was gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.. How can they do that? When he walked up to speak with me I politely told him neednt spend time with me because I lived about 4 hours away RT and, therefore, wouldnt be attending his church again. Thats exactly what I was thinking last weekend! THANK YOU! -Katelyn Elders thatthat sin are to be rebuke before all, that others also may fear. All you have to do is say some magic words and we end up being the mean ones if dare say we otherwise. Also, you dont want the sheep to get uppity. Unfortunately I dont see loose associations of Christ followers functioning in my locale but I continually find more dones, those done with institutional church. A cynical, weary part of me says theyll never change. Mark pretty much mandated participation in weekly Life Groups plus you had to use their social media platform The City to stay connected. The question may even be wrong, maybe it isnt what is the church but who is. Penalty Flag? Hi Nancy, I am a graduate from Sydney and I just want to say thank you so very much for making Mercy a possibility for girls like myself to be able to go to here in Australia, it has truly saved my life and given me a future. The mighty Kari Jobe is featured in some of the faking it videos they play in the classes. He genuinely seemed to care. The worst thing in the world right now for Chandler is that Mark is in making the Christian news cycle. (glorifies paul. Ever heard a sermon about Slaying your giants? . That does not mean you want harm to come to them. I would not say Driscoll was a jerk. Im fairly certain MD would enjoy being categorized with a so called revolutionary. He was defended and protected by his peers and they even tried to help him plant a church here and give it street cred but his family of churches franchise is over for him and he is lucky if 50 people show (mostly SGM followers and family) up for his church in a room at the Marriot not far from where I live. No coffee bar, etc. 12 In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight. What I dont get is why Hillsong and Assemblies of God (James River Church), who have extremely different views on women in the church would even consider someone like Mark Driscoll as a special speaker. vengance is where you make someone pay. until he apologizes to the elders and church members he hurt so badly i dont think there will be a true repentance that God can use. Personally I am not really all that interested in what the celebrites do as in endorsing, spinning events or behavior, etc. i think you are addressing the biggest point actually. I think what became public is enough to realize they are not safe, not mature but toxic and have been all along. They are not good for him, and he not good for the people he leads. Same goes for singles. Based on my experience, this public story should be seen as somewhat inevitable in how they operate. Christian institutions are trying to express an organic Jesus in non-organic structures. Now I am working on something for Monday. Except we now know Mark didnt actually write he books he used ghost writers and plagiarized, but minor details, an important thing you wrote about gateway i think. I was shocked and deeply saddened to see photos from the James River event over the weekend. He doesnt come near to meeting basic societal criteria for a decent person. He did it from one of the most powerful places in Southwest Missouri the pulpit of James River Church, where he leads an Assemblies of God congregation that often tops 9,000 worshipers on. i am going to get a can of alpha-wolf-away and spray out my apartment now. The disciples send him off to Tarsus and after that-there was peace for a time in the churches in Judea, Galilee and Samaria.:o). (This was all before the sex sermons and book.) Here me in this, the issue is Jesus. It seems foolish from a marketing and business view to alienate over half your customers.. I suspect that process would take a bit longer with Driscoll hes a bigger mess. Then he could claim more fictional persecution. i dont know what the answer is except to not get under the pastor leader concept ever. They will promise to give you an authentic community to do life with. But over time became desensitized and swept up in group-think so as to eventually accept it as acceptable in the 21st century. Im not as strong or wise as Lydia, but I hope to provide valuable insights based on my experience so that those with eyes to see and ears to hear get out and get out quickly. But. James River Church makes promise after Christmas event backlash Personally I do not believe God would ever anoint a blatant false teacher. Forgiveness does not address that issue at all. I think Christians make a huge mistake when looking at patterns of spiritual abuse, deception and tyranny as whether or not they are criminal according to our laws. Pews are in the old megas. Of course, we have yet to determine whether there has been a real change in Mark Driscoll's life. We need to be just absolutely rigorously adherent to things that we know work. We know that Driscoll should never have been a pastor: lack of formal qualifications, lack of maturity in the faith (too young, and never been a member of a church before he started his own), lack of maturity in general; Whats worse, total lack of good character. Connection ends, shunning begins and the cycle begins all over again with the next batch of newbies. What Im curious though is how the church (corporate) can self regulate against that in the face of the money and power, both spiritual and temporal, that types like MD help create. I still dont think he understands the harms he has done. this discussion you make today determines your destiny, God wants you to forgive. COuld someone explain how its supposed to work without a leader . If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. we see this in culture and politics all the time. We live in a youtube world where fun and funny trump all. 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. Not a fan but many are. She was warned not to work with Agathos. For those who follow celebrities, I dont, this is the church that made it into the news last year. Here is the gist of Driscolls message: its all about me and Im a martyr for the faith!, Same old Driscoll, full of male bovine meadow muffins. . they may think i just sit around judging peoples apologies or repentance. Southern Missouri . I call that tragic because there are still a lot of honest pastors and churches out there. Ditto Bent Meyer who opposed the consolidation of powerful. As I was getting ready for church last Sunday morning, I quickly checked my Facebook feed for any news and saw the this headline (see screen shot below): I 'shared' the article from an Australian news source, along with a comment: "Mark Driscoll needs to step away from the microphone for a long season of contemplation.". I dont think people that have fallen for false teachers are stupid, i think instead it reflects the degree of deceit in the false teachers and the seriousnes of the manipulations being used. i think that Jesus and God are Awesome, the only crisis i have been having is in my view of the world and the church. So now is the time ta share with kind folks the destination of their eternal soul? . I am sorry if anything I wrote about Che offended you. It is anguish because i love them, and see the pain of all three of them. pastors that use their position to wreck peoples lives arent expected to go to jail or show tears publicly and thats ok if its not warranted but it is very reasonable for people to see something, anything, that looks like actual remorse before they think its ok for them to go back to influencing the lives of people. In case this was not a rhetorical question, Their statements to Karen Hinkley and everyone else may be complete cynical BS to pull the wool over everyones eyes, or at least those of their pewsitters. As I listened, I couldn't help but wonder where things stand between Mark and those he threw under the bus. Join thousands of others to get the FREEDOM POST newsletter for free, sent twice a week from The Christian Post. Lets see. So grateful others are addressing these serious problems that plague Christendom. Please call upon Jesus today, you will be very glad you did! I do not for one minute believe they are suddenly open. Just watch any random hour of TBN or Daystar. Also, as Driscolls friend, John Piper, wrote: pastors are not professionals. Working at James River is never be boring because of the mission that you are pursuing and the amazing things that you get to be a part of. (Not that I waiting with bated breath). An awful lot of people are having to do the exact same thing. I present to you James River church in Springfield Missouri this past weekend. James River Church Reverend John E Lindell. Some scholars put his time in Tarsus as much as 7 years and might be when he took up tentmaking since he was cut off from the rabbincial living. If it is all about numbers and money it would be a wild ride for about five or ten years till it crashes. I felt like an idiot after I said that. Why am I concerned? I believe they were simply behaving as their normal selves. I dont think he is qualified to lead any church or ministry of any size until he exhibits the fruit of the Spirit for a long, long time. My old church Gateway has atmosphere teams in services to emotionally manipulate members and visitors. It is an issue of protecting other people. Does it lie with Driscoll/Chandler or does it lie with the people whom they want to trust them? then mark goes on to teach us that we must forgive even if the person never admits wrong or says I am sorry: vengance is where you make someone pay. i have very little church experience so i dont think i am qualified to even speak to these things though. In a statement to the Ozarks Independent, James River Church said it has taken temperatures at the door, sanitized its children's areas and common areas multiple times per day, provided masks. I am thinking visitors, right? First, he begins by praying that he wants to make this time just about God and His people; yet he appears to take the stories of Stephen and Paul and apply them to his own circumstance at least that's how it sounded to me. Restaurants and bars / taverns also use atmosphere teams. The teachings of Christ are based on love and forgiveness, and I will not write off Mark as a person simply because of the things that people have said about him, a small minority of people signing a petition or statements he has made many years ago for which he has since repeatedly apologised, Houston said. Before people know it, feeling loved and valued (and not realizing it was due to preplanned manipulation). Thanks for sharing your answer Lydia. "In other words, you can believe what you want within the confines of the four walls of the church as long as you don't live it outside of the church.". How to Resign from a Church Photos show large crowds at Missouri's James River Church | The Kansas GW youth group also adopted the whole Tribes deal directly from Hillsong, complete with competing tribes wearing war paint and carrying weapons. "But we can speak and encourage people to vote in terms of the morality of the issue.". Youll see they have no standards regarding truth, salt of light. Blech!! Galatians 5:22-23. Ill talk to you more tomorrow, so dont forget to check back! Are you not reporting instant healing to keep the confirmed miracle count up? Working at James River Church: 40 Reviews - Indeed Vulgarity and filth get fed to us little by little until we hardly notice weve ignored those first red flags and become part and parcel of the heresy. Gateway is so deceptive in all their practices. However, you are on to something with the radical chic concept. And he was not originally trusted or met with open arms by the Jesus believers of the day. I had never heard someone talk like that. When not enough graduates came forward they started begging people please any graduate or relative of a graduate, even if you just graduated from Kindergarten, please please come get your free gift because what Kindergartner doesnt need advice on how to buy a car? It was titled "A Biblical Look at Human Sexuality." Mark Driscoll was totally missing those things. The first time, it was shocking. And the same shtitck but did not call them atmostphere teams but hosts. The prophets in that verse are likewise OT prophets and also refers only to physical harm. I find it hard to believe he truly didnt know anything before last weekend! Did Driscoll forget about the part where Saul went away for years after his conversion. Its all good until (insert question or issue). Eye Hath Not Seen, Nor Ear Heard What He hath prepared for those who love Him?. But Christians are under the New Covenant and the NT calls Christians to expose false teachers, not facilitate their cover ups. Having a large following for a while, being insulated from most of reality, produces this result. I have read many accounts that his nickname throughout life was el chancho (pig). James River Church | Ozark MO - Facebook Like the guy who was in charge of SGM, he got away scot-free and is doing well for himself despite the outcry against him. Is to be- How Much Does James River Church Pay in 2023? (26 Salaries) It really bothers me that he seems to profane things still. I read somewhere that the church that bought, I think, the main campus property has a female pastor. There has not been a frank identification of the flaw in the system that produced the horrific results. Same deal with Driscoll, just a different sound track. I wouldnt want to walk in his shoes and succumb to the large amount of pride he exhibits, what an empty way to live. Great observation! AFter the persecution and time in Antioch, Barnabus seems to make a decision on his own to go to Tarsus to find Paul. I only write the truth about Gateway in order to warn others, never to discourage anyone. @ Nancy: You cant speak in tongues? 6100 N 19th St Ozark, MO 65721 Directions. There is no reason why he should be a pastor again. yelling at the referees for too many seasons. We know that Driscoll should never have been a pastor: lack of formal qualifications, lack of maturity in the faith (too young, and never been a member of a church before he started his own), lack of maturity in general; Any allegations are probably not as bad as the truth. Can anyone explain this James River Church thing to me? James River Church Online - Christian Church - Springfield, MO Considering the level of corruption I impute to mixing with Driscoll, Im not wondering much. See here: As you all know, my family and I have been facing difficult trials and persecution. He spends the remainder of the sermon talking about Saul who became Paul and forgiveness. And these leaders present themselves as one thing but are deceiving people the entire time. I have also heard the thoroughly abusive interpretation of Psalm 105:15 touch not my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm. I had been a pastor and fell horribly due to pride, arrogance, self centeredness, fear of man, desire for fame, etc. No I wouldnt allow someone who was an embezzler or criminal back in charge, of course not. Your mistake is in assuming that Driscoll was there to deliver a sermon. I know how hard false teaching is to bear. I'm in on that. I simply offer another perspective. He had no idea. That is largely what TWW does, ISTM. Within a few months most of the members of Mars Hill Church withdrew their support of orphans under our care. I would say he was a tyrannical charlatan that used people for his own purposes and claiming it was of Christ. Ive seen desensitizing have the desired effect and its not pretty. yeah, that pastors comment is kinda too scary for me to think about lol. #driscollreturns paul most influential christian wrote most books this explains marks love of also writing books, Theyre having new revelations from heaven haha i mean from the internet blogs that they cant escape. The financial aspects. In the case of Chandler, the fudgy language in the apologies does not instill much confidence that the root has been exposed so that it can be dug out. i havent seen any video or statement where he has actually apologized for anything except being mean when he should have been nicer in throwing people under the bus, shoulda offered them a pillow maybe so they didnt hit the ground so hard, but totally right in throwing them. The virus is having a wonderful time right now spreading through this country, taking advantage of circumstances where people have let their guard go down. Hope youll give us another try and check out some other articles. @ sam: If there is one thing I think is missing from the entire narrative of interpreting scripture it is the theme of wisdom running through it from Genesis on. Let me look it up. You can learn a lot about someones character from how they treat those who are below them in status. Come on Lindell, Morris, Kellogg and Johnston. And Shifting the Blame. This stuff was high on the why we are how we are list back in the day. pure grace are you or have been in similar situation to stephen? God, I am running for your heart until my soul is on fire?. Mark was one cog in a system that should never have been in place. All he has to do is say "I repent" and it has to be forgiven and forgotten or we are the meanies. Something has gone seriously wrong in Mega-Land and it aint just thinking about having MD speak at one of their conferences. It was really bad, disastrous I might even say. . Consider how he attained it fleecing the flock. They just have to shamelessly scam more money in the name of Jesus. As much as I distrust Acts29 and the YRR, and as much as many see Matt Chandlers action as mere damage control, at least he admitted that they screwed up, and there is still hope that he really meant it and that they will really act differently in the future because theyve learned something. 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How they hold their hands, pat their hearts, stomp their feet, fall to their knees, wipe away fake tears, etc is all taught in classes. No body guards. Im not kidding. The ones leaving arent stupid. The authentic community I was referring to is the it term/concept in megas for 2015. And later did sort of brag about how beneficial it was to him in his spiritual life. Its a professional, corporate institutional model based on an unbiblical clergy/ laity distinction. they get tired of hearing his kind words they shove it into his mouth. Then he stated emphatically: Now let me just say this to you today cause I have no apology for Mark being there; Im glad Marks here. I have heard Driscoll in person.. This pastor was humble! "And how many knownot everything you read on the internet is true". In Driscolls case he didnt even offer up the grudging apology specifically for the lives he ruined, the corruption, or the abuse of those at Mars Hill. The true character of a man shows when you see how he treats those with less power who depend on him for his income. Driscoll does not meet the biblical qualifications to be a preacher. But I did find this on the IRS website: A tax-exempt organization "may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.". You cant speak in tongues? people have said to stay involved in churches to keep them encouraged to follow the Lord and speak up if they are going away towards money and corruption, that is no longer even possible, you can get shunned slandered and prob threats to your life for speaking up anymore. Christians have to be different than that. Che was tots adorbs. paul was the most influential person in christianity after Jesus. I have to disagree Gus considering you mentioned brain cells. Was that MDs evil twin Dark Miscoll who said elders who disagree with him need to be put in wood chippers or that women need to bring their men to Jesus by orally servicing them every morning whether they like it or not? stephen is going to be filled with the Holy Spirit. (mark doesnt say that stephen was already filled with the Holy Spirit, the bible doesnt mention stephen being filled at that time at all) pure in heart shall see God. . But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And I saw it. Returning so soon to the limelight reinforces the idea that it really is all about Mark. so many for so long have used caring for others while taking funding from orphans, politicians treating everyone equally and standing by the christian forefathers etc that it actually means nothing anymore. he was chosen because the apostles couldnt be bothered by distributing food to widows) first martyr in church. Gr8 fun. They knew exactly what they were buying.
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