I have never posted a comment here on pinkbike, however this article in particular is hitting a nerve. Side-by-side, the EP8 motor is slimmer around the belly and so offers a skerrick more ground clearance. They need to get their old skunk works team back together and gain real world feedback before promoting vaporware. EP8 Technical Features Drive unit weight: 2.6 kg compared to 2.9 kg for DU-E8000 Case material: Magnesium 10-percent less volume compared to DU-E8000 Maximum torque output: 85 Nm Maximum power output: 500 W 36-percent reduction in drag Greatly reduced driving noise, quieter than DU-E7000 (Subttulos en Espaol) - YouTube #ebike #emtb*** Subttulos en Espaol, pincha en ajustes***Sam's Bikes is a dedicated Ebike Mountain. That's worse to, because 20kg dead weight doesn't contribute like 20kg of normal, muscle-laden body mass. Perfect? This allows bike companies to engineer a single frame, while offering cheaper models with a 504Wh battery, and high-end models with a 630Wh battery. You can't imagine what kind of thought must have gone behind that response? A bit like chain slap when you don't apply force on the pedals. That would be awesome to do laps on. Can't see the equivalent of a ribbed chainstay protector happening. The 2021 Canyon Spectral:ON gets Shimano's smaller, lighter, smarter, and more powerful EP8 motor, and a larger 630Wh battery for increased range. Quick everyone, it's another article about e-bikes grab the pitchforks! The Shimano EP8 user interface is similarly elegant in its design. If thats the case for you, start at Level 5 and work your way down a notch at a time. While the increased power certainly grabs most of the headlines, we reckon its the compact form of the Shimano EP8 drive unit that offers the greatest advantage over its competitors. Rob has ridden the bike, so make You must log in or register to reply here. Its easy to modulate via how much pressure youre putting through the cranks and the power delivery is progressive, giving it a very natural feel as a result. Also choose from a wide variety of crank, chain and chainring options. EP8 is compatible with DEORE XT & DEORE with LINKGLIDE technology, in addition to current SHIMANO 12-speed drivetrains. 5Nm doesnt sound like much on paper, but on the trail the Levos 2.2 motor is noticeably musclier than Shimano EP8, particularly at the extreme ends of the cadence spectrum. That just isn't real world riding though, you just don't spend all your time in boost mode. The DIODE has the Shimano E8000 motor and both bikes regardless of motor specs and differences do one thing really, really wellthey make riding FUN! The new EP8 motor is specced on the Heckler, and the MX wheel size option features Reserve carbon wheels front and back. The EP8 drive unit shape more smoothly integrates with new e-bike frames for improved ground clearance and a more compact overall package. The totally revamped E-TUBE PROJECT app provides new customization options in a more user-friendly layout thats easy to access for quick and easy changes. Just remember to manually unpair your phone from the bike before you start riding again, as the motor wont engage while the system is paired to the app. > Was thinking the same thing. Personally, were ok with downshifting and spinning our way up a steep incline its better for the health of your knees, and its likely better for the health of the motor too. Hey Ralf Hauser!! The thing is though, you do actually get used to that noise. 900WH - 97,2 km 2.132 m elev. What makes me sad is seeing young people hop on the e bike train so that they can go on a longer ride or so that someone who is new to cycling can keep up with their friends who have been riding for years, all to perpetuate needless consumerism and a gross waste of resources. Thanks to a new seal structure and gear design, drag is reduced by 36- percent, getting much closer to the normal pedaling feeling of a traditional bike. On top of that, you cant tune the Bosch motor like you can with EP8 theres no fancy app, and the stock assist settings arent adjustable what you see is what you get. It can now double the range compared to trail mode, becoming a very useful tool for maximizing ride time. Improving performance on undulating terrain, Shimano has also increased the EP8s available torque at lower cadences. All I could find is that bike manufacturers are to hold off selling the EP8 until Oct/Nov while they addresses some final issues. Can they make it swappable with a gear box? In addition to the challenge of having remaining battery life displayed as five bars, the range estimation tends to drop quite quickly during the final two bars. - Strong but very well-tuned power delivery It's a powerful unit with a huge reach, but it has a little problem: it rattles when riding downhill or, simply put, there is no power on the pedals. One is a Haibike Fat-Tire with a Yamaha Drive, the second is an absolutely brilliant 40lb (including battery) DIODE from LaMere Cycles in the USA. Shimano has its own 504Wh and 630Wh units, too. Overall its a vastly neater execution compared to the likes of Bosch and Yamaha with their Kinder Surprise-style switch units. In the higher settings, the motor will deliver maximum power without you having to pedal very hard at all. Maybe it's specific to the commencal frame design transmitting sounds? Ebikes are cool but not quite refined enough to jump in yet. So paired with Shimano's biggest 630wh battery it ensures the Bullit is fully equipped for . Also worth noting is that you can create two riding profiles, which you can alternate between via the menu and push-button on the display. The EP8 (EP800) drive unit delivers smooth, direct power to ensure you're always in complete control while experiencing a natural ride feeling. A little more overrun from the EP8 motor, and even the option to tune that attribute via the E-Tube app, would be stupendous! The new EP8 drive unit provides incredibly quiet assistance under pedal load. There are five levels of startup assistance available that can further tame the acceleration from a stop for relaxed city riding or apply more power from the get go when starting on steep mountain bike trails. Don't worry: "Every time you start your pitchfork, it resets into 'no stab' mode. The touch points are all up to typical Shimano standards of quality, though we would like to see improvements to the functionality of the display unit, notably having battery life shown as a percentage. A kilometre later that estimation dropped to 14km, then not long after to 9km, then to 5km, before the motor automatically switched into emergency limp home mode. Environmentally I think they're a disaster as well - rare earth elements in the batteries for one thing. The Pivot Shuttle, for example, employs a huge 726Wh battery made by a third party company called Darfon. Pros - extremely quiet Cons - annoying rattling noisesums up 2020! dont think people would fancy riding a fixie down a trail. The SC-EM800 computer communicates wirelessly with Shimanos E-TUBE PROJECT app via Bluetooth, allowing riders to instantly customize power characteristics on demand. I have the EP8 on a Commencal Meta Power. Power less, battery smaller, it lighter is.. Would "every time you push the on switch" have been more understandable? If you have a problem you can reapair it very quick. Chainring for E-MTB (12-speed) VIEW PRODUCT. If possible, repeat this ride on the Eco and Boost modes too. Bunny hops were absolutely a blast on this bike. So why has no one made a motorized gearbox yet? - Numerous battery options, both from Shimano & 3rd parties At Hollandbikeshop.com you'll find an extensive and versatile range of Shimano Steps Batteries. Nothing like on an ebike. I love the progression of Ebikes! Component categories and series of GRAVEL, Component categories and series of LIFESTYLE, Component categories and series of E-BIKE, Your smartphone to cycling computer on the bike, SHIMANO bicycle ride data collection/analysis service, SHIMANO AGAINST THE TAMPERING WITH E-BIKES, California Transparency in Supply Chain Act. I have not heard of a recall, so I did some digging. The Purion controller is vastly simpler and easy to read, but it looks cheap and its bulky, making it an awkward fit with brake and dropper levers. Please, It appears you're using an old version of Internet Explorer which is, the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+, that achieves the most discreet integration, the MasterMind TCU display on the new Specialized Levo. If you don't like e-bikes for whatever reason, you really have no business even commenting on this review. SHIMANO BIKE-EU Couldn't agree more. In the winter my range has decreased on the battery due to low temps, if I keep it in eco mode I get greater distance than boost and as I loose a bit of weight in can go further. No, not at all. In addition to those weve tested, youll be able to find Shimano EP8 on the Santa Cruz Bullit & Heckler, Marin Alpine Trail E2, the Commencal Meta Power, YT Decoy,Pivot Shuttle and Mondraker Dusk. Now, would we like to see Shimano eliminate the noise altogether? I've never heard the rattling noise that has been posted in the early reviews - the motor is super quiet, so it looks to me like much ado about nothing. I'm 56 with a long term knee injury. I like to see a dynamo recharging system when the bike starts to coast downhill. The EP8s smooth power delivery is mirrored by its exceptionally low drag something that is totally noticeable (or rathernot noticeable) around the 25km/h cutoff point. Maybe in a next generation they can implement an optional solution analog to what we're already seeing f bicycle chains. A dynamo and regenerative braking is the ONLY thing stopping from buying an e-bike? The 40 kg wieght difference will eat up the most battery because it constantly drags, no matter what cadence or assist mode. But would the noise stop us from recommending an EP8-equipped bike? The maximum rider support was raised to 400%, compared to the E8000's 300%. > All the grit is gone because it's clearly stuck between your bitter little arse cheeks.. Pretty clever! Same with brose 2.1 & their motor failures. Indeed Shimano EP8 is starting to become available across quite a wide range of bikes at various price points. Recalled but still was delivered with the rattle. "Unquestionably, Shimano has the cleanest and sleekest display integration on the market". Yeah but who needs all that power? The all-new Shimano EP8 engine takes a leap in performance, comfort and compactness. ON CFR with a 720Wh battery is 21.84 kg, 610g lighter than its 630Wh battery-rocking predecessor. However the motor operation itself is fabulous, smooth, powerful, feels natural when you ride, you can cover ground like crazy in this thing. Instead of a single assist ratio for each riding mode, the new algorithm constantly calculates the ideal assist ratio for the situation. Simply enjoy what you are riding and watch the world, I should say, e-bike world, pass you by, as they are here to stay and while they are not perfect they are probably the best and most exciting thing to happen to the bike industry in 50 years! Oh, how the humorous aspect of your comment has been missed. Unlike Bosch, Shimano's EP8 motor can be paired with third-party batteries. Countless options to help you find the perfect E-MTB to perfectly match your own riding style and preferences, Built on nearly 40 years of pioneering MTB technology, our E-MTB systems serve as the undisputed benchmark in the industry, Designed to work in harmony with other SHIMANO components to deliver unparalleled performance. . Weve found the first two settings to be too weak for e-MTB use, though conversely the highest setting can feel a little too peaky for some riders. SM-CRE80. Both the E-TUBE PROJECT app and the E-TUBE RIDE app are now available to download from iPhone or Android app stores and are fully compatible with Shimano EP8. Total power isnt quite as brutish as Bosch and Brose, but the real beauty about EP8 is that it retains the smooth and intuitive performance that we loved about the old motor. People know you're not running some old E8000 or E7000 motor. MANUALS & TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS I want to use the Shimano EP8 motor for a small production of solar bikes. Assistance Character This adjusts the motors support level, which is how easily the motor delivers its power based on your input. Additionally, the maximum torque limit can be set anywhere between 20-85Nm allowing riders to increase their riding range in TRAIL or BOOST modes or increase the off-road capabilities of ECO mode. When we make fun of others, its because we are not happy w ourselves. Im the worlds biggest ebike fan & I quite agree. If you got it set to Eco and the motor is using half its power, you might get at least 4 hours if it sucks up only about 125W per hour. I own the Levo SL, and it is the most refined ebike I have ridden so far. More power, less weight, even more efficient and the biggest battery Shimano offer. And compared to E8000, the new EP8 motor is considerably more powerful on the trail, whilst retaining the smooth and intuitive delivery that weve always dug about Shimanos drive units. The new magnesium drive unit casing design delivers a 300g weight loss in a 10-percent smaller form factor. The EP8 motor and 630Wh battery are both known quantities and we can probably work out how far it will go based on other bikes, but it's an interesting omission nonetheless. Wait, 23-27kms? With all 85 Nm of torque being available in TRAIL mode and the algorithm continually increasing the assist ratio, its possible to ride all but the most demanding terrain without changing modes. Aside from the sound of the clutch, everything else in the "CONS" list can be fixed with software updates. They must be under pressure to deliver units as this is at best rushed. Take note of how much elevation you achieve during those rides (elevation is more important than distance when determining range), and keep that number in mind when youre planning future all-day epics. Shimano E-Tube technology has undergone a complete overhaul to improve the user experience. And just read any car review of the blend between regenerative braking and hydraulic, then decide whether you want a computer deciding to regen as you roll off a drop regen braking is pretty much impossible on an ebike as it requires the use of a direct drive motor. Chuckle. Delivering a sleek design, the battery also charges quickly and retains its max capacity longer throughout its lifespan. I suppose pedal assist allows you to tackle the more fun/steep/tech climbs but to be effective it needs to be subtle too. I feel like I've been missing out on so much! I get under 3 hours in eco, so I guess it's taking up more than 150 W per hour on average. This reduced the tendency for the front wheel to lift on really steep tech climbs. Yeah you're right but I feel like the biggest factor is still rider weight. This adjustment has the biggest impact on the motors performance and your total range. Meta Power with EP8. For a lighter pedal feel than the E8000, the one-way bearing has reduced its rotational resistance, creating a free play. It features the new Shimano EP8 motor and a 630wh battery. Though the new EP8 motor is claimed to be more efficient than its predecessor, there is of course more power too. When riding identical bikes in my experience the lighter rider has more battery left even if he or she uses higher assist modes. Stay tuned, as well have an Orbea Rise test bike arriving very soon. Along with a new larger 630Wh battery option, plus updated hardware and software, Shimano certainly hasnt held back with its much-anticipated return fire on the highly competitive and fast-moving electric mountain bike market. Next generation e-tube wires have increased speed and bandwidth in a smaller and lighter package. Its also a very quiet motor when pedalling. Another element of the weight saving equation is the new Shimano EP8 motor. This simple concept improves the ride quality in all situations, eliminating the lurch forward and wasted energy as the bike accelerates while also continuing to provide additional assistance when the trail gets tougher and the rider works harder. New batteries recently released by Shimano are available for EP8, including two 630Wh battery options, the external BT-E8016 and internal BT-E8036 battery. I once did 2300hm with bt-8010 and mostly Eco low but also some trail and boost. Its also given us plenty of opportunity to identify all the little quirks, while getting a better impression of long-term durability and performance. Shimano The new DU-EP800 motor system is compatible with Shimano's electric mountain bike batteries including its. Introducing the new Focus Jam2 and Sam2 your perfect match. Riders can customize multiple settings through the E-TUBE PROJECT app, giving greater control over how they want their bike to ride. However, when coasting on rough terrain the unloaded system can exhibit a 'NORMAL' clicking sound that may be detectable to the rider. EP8 delivers up to 85 Nm of torque, a 21-percent increase over the STEPS E8000 motor platform. Thus when I'm carrying a spare battery I can get up to 60 mile rides in, which e-bike or not, is still a hell of a day in the saddle. Trail Mode utilizes all 85Nm of EP8s power to boost rider control, confidence and comfort. What this article says to me is that ebikes are no where never the level of refinement that I would require to give up a normal bike. So then it gets really confusing as it seems like the first bar lasts 30% and the last one 10%. Quality, Strength, Reliability . The Brose Mag S motor has been used in the Specialized Levo and Kenevo since 2018, though it was recently updated for the release of the new Levo. I have ridden ebikes great fun,addictive, you gain some things , but lose some things as well, like all bikes a compromise. Shimano couples this introduction with an updated E-TUBE PROJECT system. More juice (and more travel) makes the new enduro eMTB heavier than before. Great for climbing, on the descents the weight changes how I ride, not better or worse. That Shimano response was pure gold. At the front, Yeti has decided against a custom integrated display and the bike features a standard E-800 remote and full-colour display, but an interesting tidbit on the . The Bosch motor produces the same 85Nm peak torque output as Shimano EP8, and it offers a similarly drag-free ride quality beyond the 25km/h cutoff due to the motor decoupling from the cranks. Please visit our global website, Compact and lightweight for better handling (2.6 kg), More ground clearance for technical trails, Smooth, direct power to ensure youre always in complete control, Responsive, allowing for a smoother cut-off when pedaling above 25km/h, Quiet motor lets you enjoy the trails without distraction, Durable and weather-resistant for riding in all conditions, Customizable power and battery management with the E-TUBE PROJECT Cyclist Cyclist App, Streamlined mount position provides easy visibility, Connect wirelessly to the E-TUBE PROJECT Cyclist Cyclist or E-TUBE RIDE app, Retains 60% max capacity after 1000 full charge cycles, Quick charging to get you on the trails sooner, Internal mount options for sleek frame designs, LINKGLIDE drivetrains have been engineered to be more durable while delivering smooth shifting, Shorter cranks help prevent pedal strikes to maintain smooth cadence and motor assistance, Available crank lengths: 160mm, 165mm, 170mm or 175mm, Light and strong chainrings with DYNAMIC CHAIN ENGAGEMENT+ for improved chain retention on bumpy terrain, Chainring teeth options: 32T, 34T, 36T or 38T, Equipped on a wide variety of brands and models. Good thing with Shimano is warranty,at least here in Madrid is almost instantaneous. For 2021, Merida has added the EP8 a larger 630Wh Shimano battery and improved the wire and cable routing to make it a little neater. As for the test on range, do one in Boost and one in Trail. I rode an e bike and suffered a little bit yesterday. What this article says to me is no wonder people make fun of mountain bikers. JavaScript is disabled. On my older gen Bosch motor with a 500wh battery I can get about 30 miles out of a battery charge if I only turbo up the steepest climbs and do the other bits in low/mid power settings (and I'm about 100kg's / 16 stone which sucks battery). Is this a review for ants? I chose this bike because it has the EP8 and from research, seems to be the most reliable platform out there, assuming it's as reliable as the E8000. Display integration is still the best on the market, even if it only shows five bars of battery level and could easily integrate some more user-friendly features. Your own weight is really the one thing that effects the battery capacity together with tires and the ground surface. Delivering a sleek design, the battery also charges quickly and retains its max capacity longer throughout its lifespan. What's left is just a plain old mountain bike with a weight around 14kg. Simply named by Specialized as the 2.2, the motor continues to offer 90Nm of peak torque, and externally it has the same mounting points and overall shape. Why don't they buy dirtbikes instead ? available in a new 160mm length in addition to 165, 170, 175. 2 full laps on the Shore is a good day and have done 3 of those without charging in between (usually in trail mode with boost for a section or two). The clicking sound has no effect on the function or durability of the drive unit. ECO mode has also gotten much more economical thanks to the new algorithm as well. But even then it is still quieter than my saddle bag bouncing around. But to give you some numbers, weve consistently achieved around 1,500m of climbing during our 30-50km test rides. this dude knows how to write a review, well done. So despite being an engineer the non-linear noisy nature of the reporting makes it very difficult to plan rides and I almost always finish the last few km without assistance for bigger rides. In the lower settings, youll have to pedal really hard to get maximum support the motor. Shimanos battery flexibility certainly presents a significant advantage over the likes of Bosch, which is much more limited with its battery options. Overall the tuning adjustments are quite noticeable, though wed always recommend only adjusting one parameter at a time to isolate its effect on the trail. FEATURES Supports sleek frame design Same mount as current BT-E8035 Don't all e-bikes feature walk assist? Start with a full battery, select the Trail mode, and see how far you can go before you run out of juice.
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